Episode 141 – Laura – surrogate

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to Surrogacy Australia’s podcast series. I’m your host Anna McKie. Thank you for sharing your time to listen to this episode. These recordings are from the regular one-hour free webinars that I run, which I invite you to attend if you haven’t already. They take you through how surrogacy works in Australia, including how to find a surrogate or intended parents. There are opportunities to ask questions, and you hear from a co-host each time about their own journey.

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This episode, recorded in February 2026, features surrogate Laura. Laura birthed as a surrogate on the Sunshine Coast in August 2025 for a couple who were previously her neighbours 10 years ago. They had a little boy and his dads are Shane and Chris, who also live in Queensland. Laura is a member of the Surrogacy Australia Board, has hosted our Zoom monthly catch-ups and advocates for surrogacy at every chance she gets.

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You can hear from one of the dads she carried for, Shane, in the next episode, number 142. I hope you enjoy this episode.

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Laura, tell me, why did you want to be a surrogate in the first place and how did you eventually come to offer to your IPs? Well, I feel like I’ve done it a bit differently to the norm. I wasn’t looking for for IPs. For me, it was the other way around. So my friends expressed their intention. I knew they they wanted children. And they finally kind of shared that they had a plan and it didn’t didn’t work out. And I actually said no, I was like, oh, I’d love to do it for you. But I don’t think I can because I thought my body wasn’t capable anymore. I had back problems and stuff.

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be be able um

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I’d known them for a while already at that point and I’d always known they wanted children, but they just never talked about it being two men, know, there’s obviously some difficulty there. But yeah, they’d never actually talked about it until their original plan fell through. And that’s when they started talking about it. And so it was purely me and they weren’t asking at all. And they’d been told to share with friends, which was exactly what they did. And it was me that went away and I couldn’t stop thinking about it. And I’m like, ah, and so the next time I

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saw them, I said, oh, I really want to talk about it because I went away and I wish I could do it, but I can’t. And they were like, you know, they actually said, no, no, you know, we weren’t asking, you know, we were just told to share more. So, so I said no. And it was nearly a year after, I think it was October, November.

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22 that we had that initial conversation and I said, I wish I could do it for you, but I can’t. The universe showed me that I could. So I have a bit of a woo woo story. I just kept seeing these visions in my meditation of babies, which is really odd to me because I was single and had no intention of having any more children. I already had a boy and a girl. Yeah. And then one day in a future self meditation, I had this vision and I said out loud, oh my gosh, it’s not my baby. It’s Mr. Shane’s baby. And so that was pretty big. so I,

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kind of stuck with it for a while and you know, can I actually do it? And I started asking my Cairo because you know, my back issue was one of my big concerns. I spoke to him about it and I started talking to some friends and you know, to kind of figure out if I could actually do it. And so yeah, it was a while before I really thought about it. And the day that I actually told them, I had no intention of telling them. But again, I got a push from the universe and we’d had a beautiful day out and paddle boarding.

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with another friend and my children and then as I went to leave I suddenly had this download or urge to tell them that I was going to be their surrogate and so I blurted it out in the middle of the car park very unexpectedly but the significance was that when I did, you know, people have beautiful stories of how they, you know, tell their IPs that they’ll do it and all this and it wasn’t like that for me at all. It’s memorable though. Oh crap what am going to say?

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oh So yeah, it was a lot different from that perspective. But when I did tell them I was going to do it, one of them was completely speechless, didn’t say anything the whole time. It so gobsmacked. And it turns out that actually that very morning that I told them, they’d actually started looking at adoption. So they were about to give up on this dream of having their own baby. And so to me, that was my final sign that I was meant to do this for them. So all the way through, I’ve had this belief I was meant to do this.

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love the woo woo story. Some people resonate with that. for me, like the signs. Yeah. So for me, you know, I actually said no and then I, I changed my mind and I was shown I could do it. And I’m so glad that I did. It’s been a beautiful journey. was going to add to that. What I love about this story that’s so helpful for IPs and surrogates, it shows that surrogates think about things and that the seed had been planted and there you were in the background chatting to your Cairo, thinking about your health, talking to other friends.

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maybe finding other surrogates so you were doing this research and IPs might not sometimes think about that that surrogates are doing their research and that should be encouragement to IPs to share their story and let people know that they need a surrogate not to directly ask because that you just never know now who’s going to go away and think about that and surrogates want to come to you with a genuine offer to make sure they’re kind of medically clear and so if you don’t share your story and give people a chance to go away and think about it and have time for that seed to germinate you’re

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bypassing opportunities there. This is a beautiful story that’s really helpful, I reckon, to IPs and surrogates. Yeah, so I’ve shared quite a few times in the surrogacy pages to encourage IPs because, yeah, I mean, if they hadn’t shared that story, they wouldn’t have a baby now, ultimately. And I think it’s 80%, you know, the percentages of people of IPs actually have a friend or family that already know them and that do it for them. So it’s something that was definitely not on my radar until it came up. And one of my friends actually said,

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Find out first that you can do it So I actually went to my GP and had the checks and all that before I spoke to them because I didn’t want to get their hopes up and then find out that I couldn’t do it anyway Something also I think it’s useful for people to know and I was 42 when I birthed the baby So I birthed in August last year so five or six months ago and we just passed a parent to Jordan’s a couple of weeks ago Yeah, that’s the official end I guess of the of that journey legally and so now he’s technically their child rather than mine even though obviously, you know as you’ve seen from

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beautiful pictures. He’s been with them the whole time.

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He’s never really been my baby, you know, on the birth certificate and in the eyes of the law. Then obviously, you know, there is that period that legally he is. For me, I was very conscious from the beginning of even if someone said to me, you know, innocently, obviously they assume it’s my baby that I’m carrying when you’re pregnant. Then I was always very quick to pick up on, oh, it’s not actually my baby, you know. So I was very intentional about, I guess, not trying, you know, it’s hard to not get attached when you’re carrying a baby to just make sure that it was always their baby.

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And you certainly have a connection there, but yes as you say it’s a time of year.

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In terms of the time frame and timeline, you birthed August 2025. I’m just, cause often people at the beginning are wondering how long does it take? Do you remember then when that conversation blurted it out in the car park roughly was cause what’s the timeframe between then to birth? Yeah. So I worked out when they were still here. So they stayed with me for, or stayed, you know, up here and nearby for the first week and a half. And we worked out it was actually exactly two years and one week from me telling them in the car park to me birth in the baby.

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em And it might seem, I know some people uh even recently in one of the pages, I shared that and people saying, why was it so long? But actually I think 18 months is the average. We didn’t have a sorrow dating stage either. So, because obviously we knew each other already. I didn’t have that period. So that was just, and the reason for that, I mean, once I told them.

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we tried to go quite quickly, you know, we were like, oh yeah, let’s do it. And then we decided just to plug the counseling piece that you mentioned earlier, that was huge because we actually, I initially said I wanted to be a traditional surrogate because I thought it would be less invasive. you know, I try and be natural and, you know, I don’t like, you know, too much intervention, medical intervention. So I thought, you know, doing the traditional Turkey baster kind of way of doing it would be, uh

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uh less intrusive, but actually when we did the counseling, we got educated through that process and we realized that actually because of, you know, my age and everything else, there was a whole raft of reasons. And actually one of the biggest reasons for me, when we had that conversation, one of the biggest reasons for switching to using an egg donor was that I said to them from the beginning, I’m only going to do it once, you know, when they actually started thinking about it, they wanted the option of having a sibling. And so if,

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because their two dads used an egg donor meant they could have, know, potentially if they had a second surrogate, they could have their own biological child and it’d still be a half sibling if they use the same egg. um that was probably the biggest reason actually that swayed me, you know, in terms of changing my mind and for me, I was really glad that we did.

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So because for me to be able to explain to my children, you know, it’s not actually my baby in any way. I’m just carrying it. The incubator. Extreme babysitter. Yeah, I’m just looking after it. So, so yeah, so I’m glad we did do that. But it was because of the counseling that we actually shifted our whole, our whole.

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uh whole journey. Once we switched that kind of then put the brakes on because then you know they they had to then go through the process of finding an egg donor and they had a couple of rounds of that. So yeah that’s kind of why it did take a while still. So then you worked through the counseling, the legals, engaging with the IVF clinic to track your cycle and do the tests and then ultimately that brings us to the embryo transfer stage. That’s probably a good opportunity to go back to the photos then.

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prepared earlier.

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We’ve got a set of beautiful photos here to take us through different stages of the journey. did it work first embryo transfer? Yeah. So this was a one and only transfer. So this was at Live Fertility Clinic in Brisbane. So I traveled down, I’m in Sunny Coast now. We started it and I was a lot closer, but I moved while we were on the journey. This was at the clinic having the embryo transferred and that’s in the needle there. So that’s the embryo. That’s now a five and a half month old baby. Yes. And then we moved through the photos and then you got photos of a team.

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of, so would this be a heartbeat scan? That’s dating scan, And so what’s the travel distance between you and the dads while you were pregnant? So they’re about a minimum of two hour drive away, depending on traffic, sometimes three hours. And so this one actually, I ended up going closer to them for that particular scan because I was catching up with some other friends because yeah, we were neighbours, so I still go down to see other people as well. So we, you know, we were flexible. If I knew I was going to be that way, then we’d tie

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in with that so trying to save each other all the travel where we could. So I imagine they were all of the major scans but were there certainly some smaller appointments and blood tests and things that you attended on your own? So they came, one of them always came to all the scans as you probably know but people on here might not realize even though I was very healthy and all of that because of my age because I was over 40 and because it was an IVF baby there was a lot more checks which was it had been 10 years since my youngest. I’ve got 10 and

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12 year old. With those I’d have, you know, a dating scan, 12 week and 20 week scan and that was it. Whereas this one, there was a lot of extra scans and appointments. And so yeah, so they came to some of the in-between ones.

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just one of them would come up, but the midwife appointments generally I went to on my own, unless it was a significant one. Some of them they both came to midwife appointments and some one would come to towards the end. They both came up and stayed here the last couple of weeks because I was on my own. And so I was getting a bit nervous if it happened quickly, how would I get to the hospital? And, know, I didn’t really want to be on my own, you know, having having the baby. So ended up staying nearby. That’s great to hear. I think it’s really valuable for IPs and surrogates

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hear that the IPs came closer to you and so that even though you’re in the same state, so like my IPs they got an Airbnb nearby and so yours came in the lead up to birth and stayed for I think you said a week and a half post birth too. Yeah and so we were were quite there they’ve got friends that are 10 minutes down the road from me with a granny flat so that worked out perfectly but actually we switched up.

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when I actually came to the, they actually stayed at my house after the hospital because we wanted to be able to give babies much milk and make sure my milk came in and all that. So we kind of pivoted while we were still in the hospital. We only had.

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the session with the lactation consultant right towards the end, like just before the birth. And that’s when we really started thinking about the practicalities of, oh, well, you know, how’s that actually going to work in terms of making sure, you know, baby gets as much breast milk as possible at the beginning. So still flexibility, even in the…

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at the last minute. That’s a great example of even as a team and you’ve been friends and all the planning you still keep learning on the journey and sometimes plans adjust to how you thought it might be at the beginning then when the reality starts to kick in and the logistics you go oh we need to pivot on that plan a bit. Yeah and I think that’s really important as well and I think that’s sometimes how things can

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get a bit tricky, especially if you don’t know each other very well. Yeah, I guess that can be the not so great side of surrogacy is when teams kind of rush to do it and they don’t get to know each other that well. I think sometimes IPs can be very fixed, you know, because obviously they have a budget and they want to plan and all those things, but none of you can actually know how things are going to plan out, you know, pan out. you know, sometimes there are extra things that come up and none of you expected. And so you can’t always, you know, put it all in a tidy spreadsheet.

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and I love bread sheets by the way so but you know it’s not something that you can be too fixed on you do have to be flexible with with the plans with you know things that come up and and this is a perfect example because the whole way through I for me for my own children breastfeeding was a very bonding experience so I’d committed to at least do the colostrum but I didn’t want to commit beyond that in case you know I didn’t feel comfortable so that’s why we kind of figured that part out as we went so

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Oh, it’s a credit to your team for continuing to navigate it. And some more beautiful photos here of, and I think sometimes we’ve got your daughter here, she attended.

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A scan Yes, she was there. And yeah, so this was a 12 week scan. Yeah, she was homeschooling at the time. So she was, she was featured in a lot of this. That’s beautiful. And then again, remember, take this one. And then did you do some professional maternity photos during the pandemic? Yes. Yeah. These are the maternity photos that we had done. Yeah, this was actually nearby their house. So even, even the scan photos are in different places because, you know, we just tried to help each other out.

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so it wasn’t so much traveling. And then because I found you on social media that’s how we initially connected and then I remember seeing this photo on socials how close you were to birth and it was sort of like right we’re going for walks we’re trying to bring this baby Yeah the obstetrician said go for some beach walks on the sand you know.

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And so we’d been, we’d had two appointments that day. So we’d had a full morning of appointments. Yeah. I think we had the normal midwife and then we had obstetrician and yeah. And so they suggested the beach walks to try and encourage baby along. So this was, yeah, it wasn’t a harder ask to go for lots of beach walks. So yeah, we, it was nice cause we got to do that together. And I think they also wanted to be near me and I, you know, I wanted to be around, I guess, cause it was getting to the exciting part.

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And how was this pregnancy in comparison to your others? You’d mentioned the back pain. Was it a smooth pregnancy or it was a bit rough? Yeah, so because I was really conscious of that.

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I made sure I did like a form of Pilates from the very beginning to really help give me the best chance. so I didn’t have any issues actually with my back all the way through, was, which was amazing. Yeah. I was very uh intentional of trying to do everything I could to support myself in that. So I was going to my osteo regularly and yeah, those things to keep my health in check the whole way through as well as obviously baby. I was more tired being 10 years older than the last time. And being on my own as well. Cause before when I was pregnant, I had a husband.

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around to help out and so that for me that was quite different and I think as well for other surrogates especially if they’re single surrogates you do need to think about that especially if you’ve got young children mine were older that is something that is quite different especially when you get to the birth if you’ve got IPs that are further away that was something that when it came to it did did matter to me. Yes all these questions pop into my mind in terms of them the support during pregnancy you mentioned some did you say Pilates there or the physio were these things

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that the IPs were able to pay for and cover the costs of? Well my osteo was already seeing him regularly anyway so like to me that was already a cost it wasn’t like an extra cost there was one I think it was just after the birth there was one that they did pay for because that was I’m sure it was just after the birth or just before it was around that time when yeah so there was an extra one they paid for that one and they did I think they covered the first first lot of Pilates classes as well. uh

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generous people. Were there other types of supports they were able to either pay for a cleaner or do some meal cooking or take your kids out? Does anything spring to mind from the pregnancy that they could help with? Yeah, so they meal prepped for me a lot, which you know, at the end my freezer was full, I actually ended up getting a new freezer so I could make sure I had plenty of cooking is my favourite thing. So for me, that was the best thing ever having a whole freezer full of food. I have to think about that, especially with children, you know, because obviously they don’t they don’t care as much that you know, just

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popped out a baby or that you’re about to, you know, they still want feeding. That was really, really helpful. And I was encouraging them to make sure they were meal prepping for themselves as well. Because I think they were so focused on trying to help me. I’m going, yeah, but you’re going to have the baby after, you know, you’ve got to prepare for your, for you having the baby too. But hopefully they probably had friends and family that were probably helping them out as well. We come to the day of birth and I was going to ask you when you’re doing those walks to bring on birth, how close was he born to his due date?

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So he was actually born five days before his due date. with how was the birth? It was beautiful. So I was induced in the end. I didn’t really want an induction, but there was some logistical, quite a few logistical challenges with my own children’s care and lots of other factors. So in the end, I actually thought I’ll be more comfortable if I have it now, because this next week, I was actually getting quite worried about the timing. So in the end, I got induced, which actually

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made it much easier because then everyone knew that they could be there. So we’re all there in plenty of time. we had a Doula who was also a birth photographer and she was amazing. And that was really helpful as well before and after, not just at the birth. But I think for me having a room full of men, obviously Chris and Shane were there. My partner at the time was there as well is in the next photo, I think. And so I was a bit concerned about having so many men in the room and also not really knowing how hands-on they were going to be. I did talk

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to them about a Doula. It was as we got closer that when I was talking to the midwife I was kind of getting a bit worried about am I not going to feel comfortable enough to birth the baby as I wanted. wanted know hitting a birth you know I wanted a very natural birth and so I did I had a water birth apart from the induction. Yeah so it was a water birth it’s beautiful I had both dads in front of me holding my hand and putting the cold thing on my face and my partner at the time was in the water behind me and the Doula was next to me and she kind of shifted between Doula

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birth photographer and so we planned it before and she’s like are you happy for me to to take photos now? I’m like yes please. It was the most beautiful birth and they were so supportive all the way through and um yeah this is what it’s all about really as you mentioned before. It’s something I would never have considered for my own children having photos at the birth and but it was actually through watching podcasts and someone else sharing that they’d missed that moment and that made me really early on say to

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to the guys, that’s actually really important to me that I get that photo. So I’ve actually got a couple of photos. I’ve got one over there of that and another one of the handover that they printed for me because they knew that was really important to me to get these photos. I think we’ve got a photo coming up in a minute of you holding this photo. Yeah, that’s right. Yeah, that’s the one that I’ve got over here. And so this is the team, this is after, you can see I’m breastfeeding Tally there, his little hat poking out.

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And so, yeah, this is the team at Sunshine Coast University Hospital. They were amazing. All of them, every single person the whole way through leading up during the birth. They were so supportive of the surrogacy. And yeah, that’s the midwife there as well as the daughter. Everybody’s very joyful. an amazing room to be in that night. was honestly, it was so full of love, that room. It was just beautiful. Yeah. This is us checking out of the hospital. Yes. So then, as you say, they stayed nearby and then

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and get photos of them, you know, being dads. You helped to make this photo happen, yeah? Yes, I was still lying in the bed because I was being checked out and I just remember going, make sure you get that photo. As I was crying because I can see like I was just here on the bed and I was like, oh my gosh, this is the best. And so I really love this photo as well of them. They both had skin to skin and.

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Yeah, as well, straight after. And then life starts to go on and so then you continue to have catch-ups as friends? Yep, so yeah, this was the end of November. They came up to visit me before I went overseas. Yeah, that’s when I actually signed all the affidavits and things for the parentage order so that could happen. And that was the day that they left, on the left. I was breastfeeding Tally. They gave me the picture that’s sitting over there and I was just so emotional because I hadn’t seen, I don’t think I’d seen some of these yet. They’d sneakily got one.

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There was 300 photos from the birth. so that was the first time I’d seen that photo. And yeah, as you can see, I was pretty emotional. That’s beautiful. A very special photo in a photo moment. Yeah, that’s my… em

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my daughter holding Tally. She’s super excited to get all the cuddles of him on the outside after yeah. I mean there’s a classic question, how did your kids go with you being a surrogate? They love the dads anyway because obviously they knew them growing up when we were neighbours and so I think the two first things when I first told them my daughter was she thought I was too old so she couldn’t believe I was pregnant that was her thing and she’s like…

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believe you’re pregnant and my son was more confused that why would they want a baby so that was interesting I think he had some assumptions that babies were for women so it was really interesting hearing their initial reactions and their yeah their views on that but yeah once they kind of got over the the shock

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of that then uh they were all good with it. Yeah, Amber was very much wanted to be part of it. Ethan wasn’t as interested to be honest. But interestingly, when we bought the baby home here, because when we got out of the hospital, I had both my children here, had them stay in, it was a very full house. All of sudden there was people everywhere. It was interesting watching the dynamics, them wanting my attention, because suddenly I was then breastfeeding the baby, which obviously I don’t think they’d really thought about, because it was meant

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you know, obviously it’s meant to be with Chris and Shane. So I think that that kind of threw them a little bit, which I noticed. So I made sure I gave my two extra extra love in between and so the dad would take them out. So he took them out to go and get takeaway and to, you know, get them some activities to do, which is really good because then I could breastfeed without feeling guilty. Really beautiful time of them spending time with my children and spoiling them a bit while I was obviously looking after baby. Nourishing their child. And I think that’s often what

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I hear and for myself too it was that week post-birth when we were basically either living in the same house or just a doorway apart that bubble that week together is just like nothing else that was the highlight of the whole journey that sounds like it was for you too. Yeah yeah definitely.

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And so this last photo here is of recently at the parentage order. Yep, yep. So that was in Brisbane at Supreme Court, which was very formal. One of the dads, mum came with us as well. So we were all there together and you can see he’s very, very happy chappy. a beautiful smile. Yes. Yeah. Very much love. Okay. Well that brings us to the end of all those beautiful photos. So thank you for sharing those with us. I’m going to go to one of the questions that Danielle has typed in. Partly it was saying, do I know the statistics for planned inductions for surrogates? I don’t.

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I’ve never actually specifically asked that question, but what I do have data on is it’s basically it represents the rest of the population. So it’s the percentage that have caesareans versus vaginal births. It’s about the same stats as it is nationwide and the same that go through public and private. So therefore I’m extrapolating here and my guess would be it would probably be similar stats. So I’m a surrogate that birth naturally and just it will.

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What I mean by that is just waited for baby to come. My guess though is probably it might be slightly higher inductions for surrogacy because there’s more logistics involved and more people in terms of planning. If the surrogate doesn’t want to be induced, you don’t have to be. So hopefully nobody feels forced to do that. Yeah, I think it probably is higher because of generally the age and because it’s an IVF baby. They were the two risk factors that they kept saying they didn’t want me to go past 40 weeks, but I could have, you know, if I’d really wanted to.

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I chose to have the induction in the end. Because we went through a midwife model of care. So I had one obstetrician appointment at like, yeah, 12 or uh however many weeks and they put that fear into you. And then once I moved to the midwives, as long as it was still discussed and.

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you know, if there were anything changing medically, then we make a change. But if it was fairly textbook, then they were happy to let me go until I was at birth when I was ready. Danielle types in and says, Laura, did the induction run differently to your other keeper baby labors? Because she’s been induced twice for hers and so she’s just curious. Were you induced for either of your own children? No, so I, both of my other children were a week late or six days actually, both of them strangely. And so with my, with my youngest, I actually just had it.

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sweep and that was it. Actually I had a sweep right before that beach photo just to try and encourage it. Didn’t do that much. oh I did try all the things by the way as well. I tried the acupuncture and I posted and asked for suggestions so I was trying all the things that I could have tried. Reflexology and all of that. So I hadn’t had a proper induction before and so I was a bit apprehensive about how that was going to go to be honest but it ended up beautiful and in the full suite of birth photos

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You can see we actually having a lot of laughs along the way. It was very relaxed, very chilled. Good. Well, as we come towards the end here, so Laura, is there anything that we haven’t covered that you would like to say is sort of either parting advice or some things from your team that went well or are worth mentioning? No, I don’t

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I was just trying to think if there was anything else. We were chatting off air beforehand and trying to prep a couple of questions. I guess you’ve witnessed the community now for a while. Is there any advice that you would give to teams who are at the beginning to have a journey like yours? So yes, you knew your friends beforehand and so that helped. How do other teams sort of fast track a friendship to almost get to that point of having a solid team like yours? I think for me it was we’ve had such a beautiful journey because we had that established friendship before, which was really important.

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think for me, because I’ve obviously felt comfortable. And also I didn’t have that, although you could see Kyle was in the photo, he wasn’t physically around very much. I know with some of the other surrogates I’ve connected with, sometimes it’s really handy to have that other person to kind of speak up for you sometimes. But I didn’t need to because I was such good friends with them anyway. But I think it’s really important to take your time and establish that relationship at the beginning. Rather than trying to rush, I know some people kind of rush through to get it done. I think, you know, there are a lot of stories of

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of things not playing out so well on the other side. So I think really establishing that friendship upfront is really important. em And even then, you know, it doesn’t mean it’s going to go smoothly on the other side. It’s a tough one. don’t know.

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I don’t know that I’ve necessarily got the answer to that, but I just think it’s really, really important to spend that time really getting to know each other. And, you know, if you are in same state as well, you know, actually spending time, you know, even living in the same house or whatever to really get, you know, cause it is unlike any other situation. You don’t normally have people while you’re, you know, in that vulnerable state in birthing room, you know, being that exposed with other people. So, so no, it’s definitely unlike anything else. So you really want to spend that time.

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getting to know each other properly. Thank you for joining me. If you’d like to see the photos shared in this webinar presentation, head over to our YouTube channel to watch the webinar. You can head to surrogacyaustralia.org for more information about surrogacy. Also check out our Zoom monthly catch up sessions, which are a great way to connect with others in the surrogacy community. Attending a Zoom is scary the first time, but there’s only ever one first time. We have all been beginners at some stage.

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As we say, takes a village to raise a child and in the case of surrogacy, it takes a village to make a child. So welcome to the village.